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odonata
♡ 18 ( +1 | -1 )
Bird Opening Any Bird opening players that want to share thougths on this opening?
Cheers,
odonata
apastpawn
♡ 30 ( +1 | -1 )
Kinda quite here Guess we have few Bird Fans.
Maybe something to do with From's Gambit taking all the fun out of Mr Birds opening.
Several little traps involved also in the gambit. You still collecting traps Odonata?
Wayne
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bucklehead
♡ 9 ( +1 | -1 )
The From Gambit is not to be feared If it bothers you, you can always decline it in what I consider to be a fairly advantageous way: 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. Nf3 dxe5 4. Nc3.
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schaakhamster
♡ 18 ( +1 | -1 )
From's gambit is nothing really to be feared if you know your stuff. What drove me away from it is a kind of pirc-like setup. Not that it is to be feared but it's just not my style
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wschmidt
♡ 20 ( +1 | -1 )
I don't play it, but I just happened to read a short review of Timothy Taylor's new book on the opening over at Jeremy Silman's site. It sounds as though it's pretty thorough. Might want to check it out.
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odonata
♡ 37 ( +1 | -1 )
I agree with schaakhamster that the Pirc is an annoying setup, most lines I have my strategy at place, yet there I'm looking for a proper answer. Yet Black doesn't come up in that one with a clear aggresive plan so White doesn't have to fear too much..
From is tough for both sides, but indeed if white survives the opening it has always better chances.
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bogg
♡ 28 ( +1 | -1 )
Bucklehead I used to play the Bird and looked at your declined variation years ago. I don't see how it is advantageous for White. The best I was able to come up with was 5. ... Nc6 6. e3 Nf6 7. Bb5 e4 8. Nd4 (of course not 8. Ng5 Bd6) Bd7. Black seems to be clearly better to me. Maybe White can obtain approximate equality with 8. Ne5 but I still don't see an advantage.
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bucklehead
♡ 67 ( +1 | -1 )
In this matter... ...I have been impressed with the analysis of ICCF IM Keith Hayward ( -> www.geocities.com ) who recommends 5 e4 instead of 5 e3, and favors Bc4 over Bb5, though I see the merits of both your approaches.
In any event, I don't have the intellectual goods to debate you in a meaningful way on this point; but at my level of chess, this system has been useful in defusing an attack and confusing an opponent. I've always thought that the familiar military maxim applies to chess: being able to choose the ground is half the battle. Of course, I very often have terrible trouble with the other half...
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bogg
♡ 64 ( +1 | -1 )
bucklehead I didn't spend much time looking at Kieth's analysis. Perhaps he has come up with something to refute the assessment that has stood for hundreds of years that evaluated KGD lines with White playing fe: as inferior. As you can't here my voice, I am not being sarcastic, evaluations are overturned, especially very old ones. RJF made a living finding improvements in old lines. Many strong correspondence chess players also specialize in this area.
My only suggestion would be:
For completeness you should compare his analysis with the KGD analysis in the books. If you like what Kieth has to say then follow his suggestions.
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sough
♡ 89 ( +1 | -1 )
I tried the from's gambit(is that the correct way of phrasing it?) the other day at the club but I'm not expert in it and my opponent while solid knows little theory. It was a wild opening. If I remember right...
1.f4 e5 He looked strangely at this move for a while before moving
2.fxe d6 Again slightly puzzled lol
3.Nf3 dxe
4. e4 Bc5 I didn't expect e4 but wasn't worried about it, Bc5 looked natural and also has the trap of Nxe
5.Bc4 Nh6 I was aiming for Ng4 while still keeping the diagonal open for the queen, not sure if it was a great idea or not.
6.d3 Ng4
7.Rf1 Nxh
8.Bg5 NxN I expected NxN from white, although I completely missed(as did he) the possibility of Bxf7 that fritz suggests but I think I could still draw.
9.QxN now QxB nets a large and clear advantage for black...of course I thought white then had checkmate because I forgot d8 would be vacated! I ended it up losing but I liked the opening, I hate a slow manuevering game and this opens things up big time.
ccmcacollister
♡ 72 ( +1 | -1 )
Weeell .... Perhaps it should be said?! There is some ground KH maybe didnt cover or I didnt see ... and picked up on in One hard game of such gambit related lines as mentioned. :( Of course that was a long time ago, too. Tho after he started publishing his great monogram @ APCT and perhaps beyond( bucklehead ? I've never googled it ...just saw the original )
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Nobody has seemed to mention that one strange peculiarity in the Birds, mainlines where BL tries to occupy center and such all, developing as if in a Rev.Dutch for EG. That WT can initiate a Kingside pawn storm that often Cannot be countered effectively, in time, by a center counter strike!? It can be not-easy to contend with at times.
ccmcacollister
♡ 9 ( +1 | -1 )
PS// Lest there be any misunderstanding ... I got my clock-cleaned from the WT side of That One game :) :(
odonata
♡ 21 ( +1 | -1 )
From Declined
[White "Goldin, Roman"]
[Black "Bitansky, Igor"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. Nf3 dxe5 4. e4 Bc5 5. Bc4 Nc6 6. Qe2 Nf6 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7
8. Qc4+ Kg6 9. Qxc5 Nxe4 10. Qe3 Nf6 11. O-O Re8 12. Nc3 Kf7 13. Ne4 Nxe4 14.
Ng5+ 1-0
Can anyone explain to me why Black resigned this game? 14.... Kg8 and all is open, not?
odonata
♡ 21 ( +1 | -1 )
From Declined
[White "Goldin, Roman"]
[Black "Bitansky, Igor"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. Nf3 dxe5 4. e4 Bc5 5. Bc4 Nc6 6. Qe2 Nf6 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7
8. Qc4+ Kg6 9. Qxc5 Nxe4 10. Qe3 Nf6 11. O-O Re8 12. Nc3 Kf7 13. Ne4 Nxe4 14.
Ng5+ 1-0
Can anyone explain to me why Black resigned this game? 14.... Kg8 and all is open, not?
mattdw
♡ 12 ( +1 | -1 )
I can't see any reason why black should resign so I put it in Fritz and it says Black is only down about half a pawn.
bogg
♡ 22 ( +1 | -1 )
odonata I just looked at it blindfold but isn't Black nearly squished after 14. ... Kg8 15. Qb3+ ? 15. ... Be6 16. Ne6: Na5 17. Nd8:+ Nb3: 18. ab: Red8: 19. d3 and unless I am miscounting material is even and White has all of the plusses although I suppose he may not be winning. Perhaps your opponent didn't see 16. ... Na5.
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