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It would be good if when challenging someone we were given the option to start 2 games. One as white and one as black.
I often feel it rude when challenging someone and selecting the colour. Perhaps, if using only one game, GK could randomly select colours for the two opponents...
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if you feel it's rude, ask the person before you
challenge them. But there is so little difference between white and black that most people don't care.
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That idea about random selection was great!
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I find there is a big difference between white and black.
Playing white needs an other way of thinking then playing black
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If you are comfortable with your opennings then it wouldn't matter which side to take. For instance choose a favorite line when playing black or white and try to go for the same formation if they allow you to.
For example let say you like KPO as white depends on black openning you can transpose several openning to what you like if 1.e4 e5 and you like the Ruy Lopes then 2.Nf3 if he/she reply Nc6 then RL it is. If instead 2...Nf6(petrov defense) then 3. Bc4(guicio piano) or 2...d6(philidor defense) 3.d4 for a fun open game.
what if 1...c5 then you know black wants to play some type of sicilian then as white you have a solid formation to go into. reply would be 2.Nf3 black can now pick several line of the sicilian 2...Nc6(mainline) 2...d6(dragon)...
anyways just make sure you are ready for which ever your opponent reply and a result would be a fun game.
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I just think that the Web sit should mirror what happens at a chess club as much as possible. If I get challenged at a club, my opponent and I usually toss for the colour.
-Tulkos: Do you really believe there is no difference between playing white or black ? I think that statistics will show that White has a huge advantage. White starts the game and therefore has a half tempo in hand. In fact, most books on openings and theory state that Black's first aim is to "equalise".
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you don't toss for color at chess clubs!
you put opposite color pawns in each of your hands and have your opponent pick a hand. whatever color pawn is in the hand he picks is the color he will play with. the more fun one, though, is the one where you put the opposite pawns behind your back and THEN tell your opponent to pick a hand. if you remember which hand you have the white pawn in, you can be white every time that way -- by switching the pawns behind your back ;).
only at tournaments where color needs to be decided accurately should a coin be tossed! hahahaa!!
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play even number of games with my opponents. Letting revenche game with opposite color is a basic courtesy. So you either grant it or ask for it.
IMO, there is no need for such option as it always can be decided between opponents. Well, almost always, but if it cannot - probably this opponent should be avoided anyway:)
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I think statistics show that, overall white's advantage is
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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I prefer black. You are the underdog and the pressure is on
white to make something happen. It's more demoralizing
to lose with the white pieces, and a draw is not bad if you
are black. At least that's the way I look at it.
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Honololou: It would be interesting to confirm the statistics in Grand Master games to see how often white wins as opposed to black. Let's not forget the draws which I would think form the majority of results. Does anyone know ?
Like you, I think that the onus of winning rests on White's shoulders. Black first needs to equalise before thinking about possible advantages. In match play GMs are usually happy to get away with a draw when it's their turn to play as black.
If GK doesn't include the random colour selection I suggested, I would think ethics would dictate that if any thing, the player challenging should offer to start as black. Should the "challengee" wish, he can return the favour in a "revenge" game, later. I just think it's not very sportsmanlike to challenge someone and take the white pieces for oneself. Is the age of chivalry gone ?
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From the chessgames.com database:
# of games in database: 257,376
Years covered: 1490 to 2003
White wins 94,985 games (36.91%)
Black wins 68,374 games (26.57%)
94,017 games are drawn (36.53%)
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Never believe any statistic
as long as you didn't forge it yourself.
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of 2442134 games in ChessliB at august 2002 :
White won 39.96 %
Black won 31.06 %
Draws 28.98 %
or : White scores 54.45
First move results :
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Thanks levigun and keiserpaul. Very interesting. I don't think there's any question that White has the advantage.
Perhaps at lower levels, it doesn't make as much difference, as the play is not that accurate, any way. But at GM level, it's certainly a substantial advantage
It's like serving in tennis...
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i can't serve in tennis, the ball never wants to stay in the court! im much better at returning the ball, so serving is a disadvantage for me :(